But they have the stupid two-notch safey base pin. Nickel alloy construction. Both sets have removable bushings that fit tight in the cylinders. I found out the hard way that my Deluxe Californian does NOT have a leaf spring that returns the hand so that the cylinder turns freely on half cock. Unmatched reliability meets pinpoint accuracy in the Wilson Combat .308 Super Sniper. Did you try to send them back to EMF? Shopping at Guns.com gives you the backing Grips: Ultra Ivory Grips. Theres nothing like a fine casehardened finish, the kind you find on Period First Generation 1873 Single Action Army Colts or on the guns finished and refinished by Doug Turnbull. Are they as close to colts as anything else out there in production? On my Colt, there was slight fore and aft play on the cylinder and also up and down play as well. To be fair, I have bought brand new fixed sighted Rugers that were also disappointing, just not as far off as the GWIIs. How is their point of impact as compared with point of aim? $859.99, Uberti 1873 Cattleman 45 Colt Revolver with Polished Nickel Finish Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. Re-named in 2019, EMF pays tribute to the original Great Western guns used by John Wayne in his last motion picture, The Shootist. Several years before he was cast as John Bernard Books in the The Shootist, Great Western Arms Company presented John Wayne with the guns. GWII PIETTA "The SHOOTIST" 1873 SINGLE ACTION ARMY 4.75" 45LC - ENGRAVED/BLUED - ULTRA IVORY GRIPS Re-named in 2019, EMF pays tribute to the original Great Western guns used by John Wayne in his last motion picture, "The Shootist." Several years before he was cast as John Bernard Books in the "The Shootist" , Great Western Arms Company presented John Wayne with the guns. The other 3 are 44-40's and 2 of those are Alchemista 1'slike mentioned already a GW2 variant. Now I have a spare. They are very close to my Colts. 1 is a 5 1/2 inch 38/357. This is the exact information I was hoping to glean from this thread. Walther PPK/S. At Guns.com, if an FFL is I picked up a pair of GWii last night and taking the cylinders out noticed that the base pin bushing doesn't come out. They're beautiful revolvers and I have not read a single disparaging remark about them. 4.75 in. Beware of this when changing out the grips on your Deluxe Calfornian or other Pietta 2nd and 3rd generation SAA clones. By Those imported by EMF and Cimarron do not (except for perhaps a few like the 44 mag or blank guns mentioned above). Just as aged ivory changes color over time, the white grips on the GWII "The Shootist" vary in coloration from a stark white to an off white. Alchimista IIs with the lower hammer, sounds like they aresold guns !!!! Do you like to be different? Somebody gave John Wayne an original Great Westernpossibly a pair of them, but my memory fails me on that score. The 1-10 twist chosen for the Super Sniper delivers consistent results all the way to 1000 yards with a broad range of bullet weights. Most everything can be easily bought online these days. WARNING! Four clicks when you cock the hammer. Wife hasa pair with 5.5" barrels in 357. I don't own a pair, but have shot them. CAS/SASS/Anything from the 'ole West/Victorian Era/ If everything moves as it should and is lubed there is no real "wear" to speak of. ($0.80 / round), Federal 45 Colt 225 gr Jacketed Soft Point 50/Box Of course, I bought that one too, right out of the EMF booth without taking a second look at it. Been lovin mine most of the past decade! SKU GW45LEB512NMUI. EMF CO 1873 Great Wester II The Shootist 45LC Revolver with Laser Engraved Finish and 5.5 Inch Barrel. Ed Brown Evolution Series. Both of them did what your GW's did. There is a plunger and spring located right under the left screw that holds on the backstop and is next to the hammer that serves that function. Elite Smoke slide over Concrete Gray frame. Emf Co Great Western II Deluxe Californian 45 LC Revolver wirh Case Hardened Frame and Walnut Grips . Alfonsos Gunleather is devoted to recreating the rigs of our western TV and movie heroes. Sometimes they can be corrected with new bushings, butmore than once I have hadto turn a new oversize bushing to salvage a couple of earlyBP framed guns! This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. The last time I took it out to the range I decided to shoot it weak-handed, and guess what? Locoweed EMF Great Western 2 in 45 Colt.mov - YouTube E.M.F.'s Great Western II was the first Single Action Army replica made by Pietta. They are sequentially numbered however the action on the two and the trigger pull weight are miles apart. Login with username, password and session length, I recently purchased a EMF Great Western II Californian with a 5 1/2" barrel and I am very impressed with the quality of the revolver. This is made by Pietta. $39.99 After having the spring replaced witt a non -OEM one by a gunsmith, the spring was too short and week and would not allow the cylinder to index correctly or lock up tightly. Do however, check the bolt fit to each cylinder slot. The gun came with smooth, fake ivory grips and I just havent had the heart to go all the way and paint them black for the full Paladin treatment yet, but Ill get around to it. Several years before he was cast as John Bernard Books in the "The Shootist" , Great Western Arms Company presented John Wayne with the guns. EMF GREAT WESTERN THE SHOOTIST. These allow for an ideal fit and a precisely bored bolt raceway for smooth operation. Mine is the Pietta Frontier stainless 7.5 and it also has no hammer safety with 4 clicks. So close parts will interchange. All Great Western II revolvers are period correct with the floating firing pin in . The only thing is that the base pin is an extended type with two grooves for the cross pin. I will post what my opinion is. I had to wait two months after ordering to get them in. Since I had just acquired one of Omar Pinedas excellent Paladin rigs, made to perfectly match the pattern of the holster made by his father Alfonso Pineda for Richard Boone, I needed a 7.5-inch full-blue SA to put in it. At 25% of the cost of a new Colt, this is a good deal! I have a pair and Colt base pins won't fit. I am going to pick up a pair of Califorians with Alchamista II hammers next week. Waxahachie Kid #17017 L These Versatile by nature, the 9mm Luger has grown to become the most popular handgun cartridge in the world. Single Action Presenta. Uberti 1873 Cattleman 45 LC Doc Holiday Single-Action Revolver ($2.00 / round), Winchester 45 Colt 225 gr Bonded JHP PDX1 Defender 20/Box Wife has two sets of Pietta revolvers. $729.54 . Manufacturers are saving big bucks and time, NOT fitting them to original specifications. I have 4 GW2's like I posted. EMF 1873 Great Western II 45LC Deluxe Stainless Revolver with Ultra Ivory Grips $850.00 $765.00; Notify Me When Available; Brand: EMF; Item Number: GW45SS434NMUI ; EMF Great Western II 45 LC General Patton Single-Action Revolver $935.00 $889.99; Notify Me When Available; Just saw an ad for an EMF Great Western II revolver. Stainless steel EVO-KC9. With the beautiful laser-engraved all-blued barrel and cylinder, the one-piece ultra ivory grips offer a contrast, accentuating the engraving even more. If youre reading this magazine you know why, you know the nerve that it touched. Only difference from the one pictured above is mine has the brass frame. Thats a real ruby in the chess pieces eye, not a bit of plastic like in some other holsters. Thanks, CC. This was the belt that was slung around the waist of just about every TV Western star of the 50s, 60s and 70s. And they should have already been corrected by the manufacturer; they have to test fire each gun, dont they, And they should have already been corrected by the manufacturer; they have to test fire each gun, dont they. We shall see how they shoot this weekend. Blowback action. Hearing protection is a must while shooting. For a few years Colt cheapened their manufacturing process> Gen 1 and gen 2 Colts as well as late thirds all have of a company that is committed to your satisfaction. I've had 100 yr old Colts with original bushing and pins that still work fine so where is this wear some are talking about? $679.99; In Stock Brand: Emf Co; Item Number: GW357GR434NMUB; Emf Co The Shootist 357 Mag Rovolver with Engraved Finish and Ivory Grips $849.99 $699.99; In Stock . I did not consider selling them to another competitor. The only complaint I had was both revolvers point of impact was 8 inches wide of point of aim at 8 yards. Many have heard the tenants of defensive shooting or have taken a course that discussed the most important principles. Southern Missouri Rangers, Central Ozarks Western Shooters, The Ozarks Posse, Powder Creek Cowboys, Outlaw Camp, Richmond Roughriders, Coyote Valley Cowboys, Faultine Shootist Society,Two Rivers Posse, River City Regulators. I had a couple of other shooters try them to make sure it wasn't just me. As a Have Gun Will Travel fanatic as a kid, Ive always had a soft spot in my heart for that clean, all-black finished SA. Parting shot: I used to be in a band. I use a pair of .45 GWII for CFDA, and .38/357 Frontiers for SASS. If you want the real deal, a holster for competition or a TV or movie accurate rig like your hero used to use, Alfonsos is the place to turn. Browse, borrow, and enjoy titles from the Evansville Vanderburgh Public Library digital collection. It has a floating firing pin, pressed in recoil plate and walnut grips that have a very nice flame to it. With the beautiful laser-engraved all-blued barrel and cylinder, the one-piece ultra ivory grips offer a contrast, accentuating the engraving even more. I have several guns in my collection that are stamped Fox Studios under the barrel and theyre all blue guns. Refinishing worn guns full blue wasnt the only reason there were so many on TV. Blue Walnut Grip JMHO. The barrel is precision button rifled from 416-R stainless steel, then chambered and reverse crowned for exceptional accuracy. They are well made and quite smooth right from the get go. The only difference between them is the checkering style on the hammers which is really only a visual thing but no performance difference to me. The Sauers had transfer bar safeties.. We are experiencing a large increase in orders. Pietta Single Action P. Pietta Spare Cylinders Pietta PPS Carbine Par. EMF The Shootist 357 Mag Rovolver with Engraved Finish and Ivory Grips $849.99 $799.99. This is sort of a safety mechanism that prevents the hammer from contacting the primer. I hope mine were exceptions, and that more recent guns are better regulated to point of aim. They are the pair blowing smoke and fire in the pic to the left. I have shot them for probably 11 yrs. Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore reserves the right to modify or change pricing information or descriptions without notice. The Great Western II by Pietta disassembled. Theytold me take it apart, shoot it, whatever I wanted to do. Barrel Length: 4.75". Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Zen Shootists, Fort Des Moines Rangers. I have been sore tempted to order one of these. Now that the bushing question has been answered, I wanted to piggy back on this thread and ask for opinions on GWII guns. Final Notes He speaks highly of them. Outlaw Gambler was able to get me a consecutively numbered pair in 44-40 with 4.75" barrels. Nice guns. Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore reserves the right to modify or change pricing information or descriptions without notice. Just bought the wife a pair of EMF LibertyGWII's in 357 as her first set of CAS pistols. This single action revolver has the all blued barrel, cylinder and frames for fans of the popular Hollywood Western. I have discovered something by examining the photographs of some of the guns used by my favorite old-time western stars. Page 8. . Model: Great Western II - DLX Grande Californian Caliber: 45 Long Colt Capacity: 6 Shot Cylinder Frame Finish: Color Casehardened Engraving: Victorian Scroll-Work and Sunbursts Hammer: Floating Firing Pin (non-transfer bar style) Overall Length: From Heel to Crown, Roughly 10.5 Front Sight: Fixed Half Moon Ramp Rear Sight: Fixed Top Strap Groove Instead of buying a gun thats Glock has decided to capitalize on the growing custom trigger trend and offer a factory version: the Glock Performance Trigger (GPT). Posted February 5, 2018. Its tribute to Patton is a handsome stainless steel pre-war model, correct 4-inch barrel and is offered in either the .45 Colt chambering, or in .357 Magnum. . Striking out on his own, Alfonso founded his company, Alfonsos Of Hollywood, supplying holsters and leather craft to Hollywood luminaries and regular gun-toting folks alike. Posted April 30, 2017 the bushing is NOT press fit on old or new Colt's..PERIOD!!! Powered by Invision Community. $799.99, Uberti 1873 Cattleman Ol Bonney 45 Colt Revolver with Buffalo Horn Grip All Great Western II revolvers are period correct with the floating firing pin in the hammer, not a transfer bar. EMF also offers a Great Western II with a 4.5" barrel and engraved. SASS# 18287. I can see where you'd be ticked off. Came with the .45 acp cylinder also. If you remove the backstop to change out the grip panels, you must make sure that that minute spring doesn't fly out as mine did. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. I recently purchased a EMF Great Western II Californian with a 5 1/2" barrel and I am very impressed with the quality of the revolver. Paladin Rig I wont be Wronged , I wont be Insulted and I wont be laid a Hand on . If you look at some of the stills of James Arness as Matt Dillon in Gunsmoke, Sherayko revealed, You can see his single-action is a J.P. Sauer because the cocked gun reveals a missing firing pin. It has a floating firing pin, pressed in recoil plate and walnut grips that have a very nice flame to it. I have a pair in 44WCF. BB5BEF0C-4849-4E8A-A729-802914629E5E.jpeg, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. A file took care of the low problem. on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in Many online gun sales actually take away from your local $779.99, Uberti 1873 Cattleman Old Model Old West 45 Colt Single ActionRevolver It sports factory laser engraving in the style of Patton's original . In fact, many preferred the businesslike look of the full-blue gun. I had my blue gun, and the fine finishing and workmanship of the EMF made it right at home next to my nickel and casehardened Colts, Rugers and Cimarrons. The name was resurrected in 2003, when EMF imported a series of single-action revolvers, known as Great Western II 1873 SA, until about 2009. Plus, you'll be the first to hear about our newest giveaways. customers to the absolute best of our abilities. Pietta researched and developed the most true-to-original and most commonly carried pistol of the gunfighter. Shot it at the range but haven't shot a match yet. The coil spring works just as well, and is probably more durable. Love the feel of it with the lower hammer, wide trigger and Army grip. Fit the bolt to the Cylinder notches, Change out the Main Spring and GO. I shoot colts almost exclusively, but I sometimes wonder if I shouldn't get something else that comes as close as possible to shoot at those unimportantmatches just to save a little wear and tear. It is very accurate and I believe it is one of the best SAA type guns I have ever owned. We have a By signing up you agree to Guns.com's Sun River Rangers- Rocky Mountain Rangers-Black Horse Shootists, Tonawanda Cowboys, Alabama Gunslingers & Long Riders, Richmond Roughriders, Coyote Valley Cowboys, Faultine Shootist Society,Two Rivers Posse, River City Regulators, Tejas Caballeros, Texican Rangers, Green Mountain Regulators, Plum Creek Shooting Society, Southern Missouri Rangers, Central Ozarks Western Shooters, The Ozarks Posse, Powder Creek Cowboys, Outlaw Camp, Chorro Valley Regulators (CVR) , Pozo River Vigilance Committee (PRVC). Powered by Invision Community. Test firing is just thatfiring..if it goes bang it's good to go. Beautiful gun. Our Price. Hartford SxS Shotgun With out that spring, the cylinder will NOT index on half cock and the cylinder will free wheel. After the SHOT Show, it got to me with a few scuffs and minor scrapes from being handled by about a gazillion people at the SHOT Show, but I dont care. Since the process of fine, case color hardening wasnt easy or cheap, manufacturers like Great Western and J.P. Sauer of Germany supplied full-blue guns. Manufactured and engraved by FAP F. LLI Pietta in Italy, this beautiful piece adds elegance and intrigue to EMF's Great Western II line-up. When it comes to Colt clones there are basically two choices. I should have it. Thanks for the reply Captain Clark. In 1959, the name and assets of the company were purchased by EMF (Early and Modern Firearms Co.) and in 1964 Great Western products was discontinued. Good Luck. Feeling lighter than my 7.5-inch Colt, it drew smoothly from my leather and pushing it out towards the target, it hung at the end of my outstretched arm and demanded to be shot one-handed. $39.99 I visited with EMF at the NRA meeting on Friday and asked some questions about the GWII. MATCH AMMO, PRECISION OPTICS AND ACCESSORIES Online shopping from a great selection of discounted 357 cal ruger single six at Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore. When I launched my coil hand spring and plunger, I found the spring, but not the plunger. I ordered a pair of new EMF Great Western IIs severalyears ago. But for some reason, buying a gun online can Omar got his start in his fathers shop as an 8-year-old cutting, dying and preparing leather. I think that the GWII are excellent guns, and as I wear a size 11 glove (XXL) the trigger guard is not smaller or of any describable difference. With ammo supply being low the extra cylinder is great to have as 45 acp is easier to find. 3 Top Break 2nd Model 45 Colt Revolver. My Deluxe Californian has absolutely NO play in the cylinder at all and locks up very tightly. Just maybe. Chambered in 9mm. $49.99 Hollywood TV and movie studios found themselves needing guns for multiple productions. PPS/50 Howa Youth 2-N-1 Combo. While Loose bushings in cylinder's may tend to free up cylinders, it accelerate wear on the cylinder bore greatly! As a retired Gunplumber, I consider the current Pietta built SA copies to be the best value for dollar available. They are nice. Plus, you'll be the first to hear about our newest giveaways. EMF Great Western II Stats & Specs: Barrel: 4.75", 5.5", 7.5", 12" Caliber: .357 Mag, .44-40, .45 LC Capacity: 6-shot Features: Single-action Finish: Casehardened, blued, stainless Grips: Walnut, ultra ivory, ultra stag Sights: Fixed blade front, notch rear Weight: 33.6-35.2 ounces 357 Mag | Handgun Ammo | Ammo EMF Great Western II Price: We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. A great operating and shooting SA. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. You will pay a little more but you will get more too. Im not going to get into why the Western was so popular. And yes I am sure it was the guns and not me. Buy some dummy rounds cause you are gonna want to dry fire this thing! The spring needs to be the right size and tension too. Seems to be a pretty well built pistol. 10RD mag. He used it/them in. Nope, no transfer bar or any weird stuff. If it is .250 youcan get a Colt or Belt Mountain base pin that has a single notch and will not rotate in the frame. I wish they came in more caliber choices. And I like that the front of the cylinder is chamfered. A good gun, it had been sorely used by an outfitter in Colorado and really looked like a 1st gen. Colt without artificial aging. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. Problem was, there werent a lot of SAs., Colt had ceased production of the SAA in 1940 and had not yet geared up a second-generation version of the pistols. Springfield Hellcat OSP 9mm Micro-Compact Optics Ready Pistol w/ Laser, Holster, 3 Mags, Smith & Wesson Model 640 357 Magnum J-Frame Revolver, American Tactical FXH-45 MOXIE 45 ACP 1911 Hybrid Pistol, Windham WW-15 SRC 300 Blackout Flat-Top (Optics Ready) Rifle, Savage Axis II Veil Whitetail Camo Exclusive 350 Legend w/ 4-12x40mm Scope and Heavy Barrel, Ruger AR-556 5.56 NATO M4 Flat-Top Autoloading Rifle w/ Barrett Brown Cerakote Finish. Whats the difference between that and the californian? $699.99, EMF The Shootist 357 Mag Rovolver with Engraved Finish and Ivory Grips We've got 'em all! They have had the barrel cylinder gap opened up when I was shooting FC, which helped negatecylinder drag. Pietta 1873 Great Western II The Shootist 357 Magnum Revolver $ OUT OF STOCK. Powered by Invision Community. The very small spring is available from EMF for $4.50. ($1.40 / round), Hornady 45 Colt 225 gr FTX LEVERevolution 20/Box I just got a Alchimista II which is in the Great Western II line. 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