Ithaca didn't make 1.8 million shotguns - the doubles ran to less than half a million. Special serial number blocks were discontinued during 1953 for the models 37S and 37T. From that list you can find out what serial number block the gun falls in and match it to the year of manufacture. Hunters & Shooters, An Oral History of the U.S. Navy SEALS in Vietnam. Maybe it is a poorly stamped 16 gauge. F. FyrepowrX. The Model 37 was used by the United States Armed Forces in World War II,[5] the Korean War, and especially the Vietnam War, where it gained a great reputation for reliability in the jungles of Vietnam when generally used by special and special operations forces like the Navy SEALs[6] and Army Green Berets. Depends on the condition, but if good, probably in the $225-$275 range. Could a Shotgun World members provide shipping information/records for my Ithaca Model 37 Trench Gun, serial number 61501 and a Ithaca Model 37 Riot Gun, serial number 61422 that I may be purchasing? The thread pattern that we utilize on our interchangeable barrel field guns is the same pattern that was used by Ithaca in New York after 1963. It was based on a 1915 patent by the famous John M. Br .Click for more info. My mag gun measures roughly 2&13/16 while my 2&3/4 gun measured roughly 2&5/8. The stocks were unmarked. The World War II Ithaca Model 37 trench guns were finished in Ithacas attractive commercial-grade blue. Many sporting arms ceased production entirely during the same period. In contrast to the M-49s that weren't serial numbered until 1968. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Ithaca 37 (or Model 37) is a pump-action shotgun made in large numbers for the civilian, law enforcement and military markets. You must log in or register to reply here. Ordnance Dept. Serial# 371414XXX. Oklahoma. Ithaca Model 37 The Dave McCracken Memorial Shotgun Forum The Firing Line . 1849982 - Model 37 . Ithaca M37s are awesome! They were mechanically identical to the guns previously made for the South Vietnamese government but were not equipped with sling swivels. How can I determine the age of the gun? 1 - 2447. Made in many different models, the Ithaca 37 has the longest production run for a pump-action shotgun in history, surpassing that of the Winchester Model 12, the original inspiration for Ithaca's entry into the market. Model 37s with a serial number above 855,000 have interchangeable barrels (except for some Deerslayers), but often still require some custom fitting by our gunsmiths. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Posts: 3,575. I do not know of a 18 gauge. The Ithaca was an improvement on the former design because it emphasized simplicity of form and function. *Originally Compiled by The Ithaca Gun Co., October 1960. I understand they eventually "fixed" the slam fire feature and I'm wondering if there's anyway to tell. Senior Member . WESTERN ARMS MODEL LONG RANGE DOUBLE GUNS. History. Even before the Revolutionary War, smoothbore flintlock fowling pieces were frequently pressed into service in the hands of militia and other irregular troops. Model 37 Featherlight. Baker Double Barrel Shotguns. More than two million Model 37s have been produced over its 80-year history. If the serial number is NOT listed, here, it is NOT in ITHACA GUN COMPANY records. Serial Number. How can I determine the age of the gun? In addition to the riot guns and trench guns, the government procured 4,534 long-barrel Model 37 training shotguns between June 1941 and September 1942. Ithaca factory records also indicate that the State of New York acquired a couple hundred Model 37 riot guns with 22" barrels in late 1941 and early 1942 as well. Some fake Vietnam-era Model 37 trench guns with bogus USSF (purportedly United States Special Forces) markings have also been observed. Ithaca Model 37 serial numbers/dates of manufacture - 24hourcampfire Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Hop To BP-B2 IC B2 IC B3 CTV Who's Online Now 586 members ( 10gaugeman, 1936M71, 12344mag, 204guy, 1beaver_shooter, 160user, 59 invisible), 1,527 guests, and 1,134 robots. Regular M37 serial numbers apply within this range. The Flues model single barrel trap guns and the two bolt hammer guns are also numbered within this series. It is in the area between the magazine tube and the barrell. Mar 13, 2023 #3 duckbuster5901 Elite Refuge Member That may make a difference to a buyer who wants differing choke selections for these fine pump guns. The Model 37 Featherlight has commonly been seen in the hands of farmers and hunters in the midwestern United States. 17074 on Aug. 7, 1941, which standardized the following shotguns for riot and sporting use: Winchester Model 97, Winchester Model 12, Ithaca Model 37, Remington Model 31 and Savage M620. The number range shows as a model 87, but it's definitely a 37. Ithaca also made a number of essentially identical Model 37 trench guns for the civilian and law enforcement markets that were not stamped with martial markings and were in a higher serial number range.It is interesting to note that these 1960s-production Model 37 trench guns, like the World War II trench guns, were equipped with bayonet adapters for use with the Model 1917 U.S. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Most manufacturers (that made something worth a darn) put a serial number on it I think so they could track warranty/repair/quality/changes, etc. These later Vietnam-era Model 37 trench guns were very similar to the World War II trench guns except for having a Parkerized finish (rather than bluing), a different serial number range and different type of martial markings. Ithaca Model 37 serial numbers/dates of manufacture, Re: Ithaca Model 37 serial numbers/dates of manufacture, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The new value of an ITHACA 37 shotgun has fallen ($296.59) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $682.75 . Fitted barrels/receiver assemblies were separated during manufacture process and the sn, if for no other reason, assured the parts eventual reunion. I am selling a model 37 in 16 ga and have been asked several times for the serial number. Ithaca Model 87 Repeater. Thanks, this helps. In late 1942, Ithaca began production of the M1911A1 .45 ACP pistol under government contract. Also, riot models were . I merged your topics together here. The early guns will have serial numbers on the very front of the receiver in between where the barrel connects to the receiver and the magazine tube. On Nov. 11, 1941, (less than a month before the attack on Pearl Harbor), the U.S. The Model 37 was used by the United States Armed Forces in World War II, [5] the Korean War, and especially the Vietnam War, where it gained a great reputation for reliability in the jungles of Vietnam when generally used by special and special operations forces like the Navy SEALs [6] and Army Green Berets. The Ordnance Dept. Thanks so much! The Model 37 trench guns were shipped from the Ithaca factory to Augusta Arsenal between June 27 and July 20, 1942. Recently picked up a 16 ga 37 w/poly choke the shoots and handles better than expected. Go to the Ithaca gun web sight and find the serial number list. While issued in large numbers, the Model 77E was plagued by some nagging reliability problems, but the Model 37 generally gave excellent service and was highly regarded by the majority of its users. Seller: Shooter's Supply, LLC. All rights reserved, copyrighted, no material within this document may be copied or distributed in any way without the express written permission of the author, Walter Claude Snyder. If the "1" stands for something else. I said it was a felony to own it, So Please tell me where I'm either Wrong or moody. There's no need for double topics. I think I remember hearing that there was a time at the Ithaca NY plant where there were no numbers on 37s. Here are just a few of the stand-outs. From that list you can find out what serial number block the gun falls in and match it to the . Determine Age of 12-Gauge Shot gun Model 37. Based on a 1915 patent by firearms designer John Browning for a shotgun initially marketed as the Remington Model 17, it utilizes a novel combination ejection/loading port on the bottom of the gun which leaves the sides closed to the elements. The guns were marked U.S. on the right side of the receiver with P proofmarks on the receiver and barrel. The Ithaca Model 37 has had the longest production run of any pump-action shotgun. I didn't write down the serial number. The special serial number block for the Model 37R was discontinued after 1949. The Model 37 has remained in continuous production since its introduction. Ithaca Model 37's made after serial number 855000 were made for interchangeable barrels. Jan 11, 2008. Good luck. How can I tell if an Ithaca Model 37 is a slam fire model? This has made the Ithaca popular with left-handed users, who may fear hot shells being thrown at them by other guns. Ithaca Model 37 Law Enforcement Weapons. Top. An LGS has a 37 for $250. Not sure about the 2 on the end. Year All Model Guns 1937 1 to 3,500 1938 to 10,000 1939 to 18,350 1940 to 34,400 Standard Model Solid Rib * Skeet* Trap* 1941 to 50,900 70,000-71,500 80,000-80,400 88,000-88,150 Bristoe #12690699 03/03/18. In 1937, Ithaca introduced its first repeating shotgun, the Model 37. I think it's time for you Drop your 3 year old vendetta.. Bushrod. To fulfill the initial contracts, many of these 20" plain-barrel shotguns were taken directly from civilian production inventory and stamped with martial markingsgenerally a U.S. stamp, the Ordnance flaming bomb insignia and a P proofmark on the receiver or barrel. Few rifles have influenced firearm design and military history as much as the Mauser 98. As time went on production switched over to 3 inch receivers only and the Mag was dropped from the serial numbers. Ithaca Hi Grade Model 37 $3,000 Grade. Many of the company's assets were purchased by Ithaca Acquisition Corporation in 1987 and moved to King Ferry, New York, where it operated until May, 1996.. 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Was there a law in effect prior to 1968 that prohibited the removal of a serial number? Ithaca Hi Grade Model 37 $2,000 Grade. This is a fool proof way to identify a 3 inch receiver. 1880 to 1885. The gun was an improved version of the John Browning-designed Model 17 that had been a popular seller for the Remington Arms Co. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Since the guns were not made for the U.S. military, they were not marked with American martial markings. You'd have to try some to see how and where it shoots and how tight the groups are. The number range shows as a model 87, but its definitely a 37. As discussed, one of the rarest examples of the genre is the World War II Model 37 trench gun, but all of the Ithaca military shotguns are highly desirable acquisitions for a collector. Due to the growing popularity of the Winchester and Remington slide-action shotguns, Ithaca Gun Co. sought a gun of this type to keep pace with its two major competitors. The older guns have the number stamped in the face of the receiver where the barrel & magazine tube are threaded in. Also, a matching number is stamped on the underside of the barrel. Although overshadowed today by the better-known and more widely used military shotgunssuch as the Winchester Model 1897 and Model 12the Ithaca Model 37 remains one of the best shotguns ever issued to our military. Published: 03 October 2022. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, The Ithaca Model 37: A Forgotten 'Trench Gun', Rifleman Q&A: What's The Rarest U.S. Military 'Trench Gun? If it is a 16 gauge,(which I'm sure it is) then it was made in 1950, and would be a good gun. My Dad said that his uncle gave it to him. There is a patent number on the barrel, Patent No. Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:03 pm Go to the Ithaca gun web sight and find the serial number list. 1942 per the page above. By 1894, the company was under exclusive control of Leroy Smith and George Livermore. The wartime Ithaca trench guns were marked on the left side of the receiver with the Ordnance flaming bomb insignia, R.L.B (initials of Col. Roy L. Bowlin, head of the Rochester Ordnance District), and a small P (proof) stamp. ** The mark HG indicated registration with the BATF. It has been the company's mainstay production gun ever since. In the spring of 1942, the government placed orders for 1,420 Model 37 trench guns designated in Ithaca factory records as Model #37, 12/20"- Riot Type Shotguns with Bayonet Attachments. While the term trench gun was never official government nomenclature, it is useful terminology to differentiate the models fitted with bayonet adapters from the plain-barrel riot guns. Skeet Model numbers were 80000 - 89999, and the Trap Model numbers were 88000 to 89000. Nonetheless, the Model 37 continued to be a popular law enforcement arm, and many are still in use today.Military shotguns are extremely popular with todays military arms collectors, and prices are rising at a rapid rate. Designed by John Moses Browning, and originally manufactured in 1937, the Model 37 Featherlight has stood the test of time, providing generations of sportsmen with a reliable firearm for all types of hunting. Fornicate thyself and upon thou steed which you dids't arrive. 1849982 - Model 37. The older guns have the number stamped in the face of the receiver where the barrel & magazine tube are threaded in. After World War II, Ithaca resumed production of the Model 37. The 12 month average price is $827.64 new and $582.38 used. All Model 37's had serial numbers before they left the factory. However, serials weren't required prior to 1968 were they? Am I close? Thanks B, just looked up my dad's, which was originally grandpa's, and it's a 1951 version. Much of the data presented for the Model 37 guns came from microfilm copies of Ithaca shipping records on file at the National Tracing Offices of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and from microfiche copies of invoices from the 1980 era that were found at the Ithaca factory. sorry the model is L37 20 GAGE SERIAL 178174. 2448 - 4104. At one time, the Ithaca 37 was renamed the Model 87, although it was soon changed back in one of many ownership changes. With the depression dragging on and another war looming on the horizon, it was possibly the worst time to introduce a sporting arm. Nonetheless, with the ever-increasing likelihood that the United States would be drawn into the war raging in Europe, the U.S. Army Ordnance Dept. Thanx! JavaScript is disabled. There were many new guns and lots of new gear to see at the 2023 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits. Following the First World War, the Ithaca Gun Company sought to produce a pump-action shotgun to compete with the ubiquitous Winchester Model 1912. and our Although the guns were not consecutively serial numbered, the World War II-production Model 37 trench gun serial numbers ranged from 57,820 to 61,450. The per-unit cost to the government was $33.60. They are a very lightweight and svelte, sexy gun. www.diamondgunsmithing.com. I think the other page got jumbled at that point because of the four asterisk situation described at the bottom of the page. 1886. The serial number will be on one of two places on the gun. Used with author's permission.&break;&break;Ithaca Gun Company was founded by William Henry Baker, John VanNatta and Dwight McIntyre. I understand they eventually "fixed" the slam fire feature and I'm wondering if there's anyway to tell. Thus, holding the trigger down allowed the gun to fire the instant a new round is cycled into the chamber without requiring the trigger to be released; this feature was called "slam-fire". The special sequences for the Solid Rib were abandoned by 1949 when they were included in the General pump listing. All Model 37's had serial numbers before they left the factory. It isn't hard to find 16 gauge shell. Your gun was not. I don't need to be educated by you Natty. Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests, I have a 12 gauge shot gun Model 37. I wanted one so bad for a while. There are quite a few Model 37 16 gauges made in and around that year and most are still active guns. Ithaca has suffered many setbacks in its history and changed hands numerous times. If the gun has been reblued, then the numbers could have been polished off. You said the gun had no serial number, Right.. Well, before 1968, there were a lot of gun models from several different companies that did not have serial numbers. The Ithaca 37 is the only preWorld War II shotgun still in production. "a few variances in this data will be found". August 25, 2014, 12:59 PM #11: jaguarxk120. . determined that the war effort would be better served if the company concentrated on manufacture of the pistol, and military production of the Model 37 shotgun ceased for the duration of the war. The value will depend on . The handful of observed genuine specimens typically fall around the 980,000 serial number range. Leroy Smith and George Livermore 1894, the company & # x27 ; s made after serial number stamped... 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