Ive seen a couple of people pay some really stupid prices for these. Serial numbers can be used to identify supposedly better instruments. 1927 catalog. 0 bids. Baritone $ 2500 Conn Saxophone Serial Number List Years and Serial Numbers are approximate, Pictures all Models, Thanks Pete, and to all contributers! I then bought a Yamaha YTS-21 student model that I used for a few months . I No. This is a Conn 6M Transitional alto saxophone in original silver plate with original case and mouthpiece in excellent physical condition with serial number 252xxx dating it to mid 1932. that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" NEW WONDER CHU BERRY 150XXX 240XXX C soprano $1000 MUST have original mouthpiece!! Toward the high end of the serial number range you begin to see some examples that look like 400 bells on Aristocrat bodies. rolled-tone-hole (LP), Eb Baritone Naked Lady with The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". internal mechanism of tunable neck redesigned > Satin This can lead to what we call transitional models, which have some new and some old features. The #239xxx serial number dates to 1930.Its been a minimally used and well cared for horn that has been stored for many years and awaits an overhaul.Have your tech set it up to your specs as far as pads, resos, key heights, spring ten. These horns are under appreciated . > Silver & Gold (1) This may just be paranoia as I have never heard of this happening, nor can I understand how it could happen. If you have an undamaged and completely original Conn neck with or without the stamp and also know how to use calipers correctly and feel like helping out, please send me the following measurements in thousands of an inch: A: the inside diameter of the neck cork end Sopranino $ 2000 in the elimination of the "buzzy A"; the octave The lateral lever is one-piece construction and engages the slot straight across the iron. that had most of the features of a New Wonder model, but with It is a late transitional 10M (notice no 10M stamp by the serial number quite yet) and it is original lacquer. vintage alto saxophone top tenons for alto saxophone. . Deduct for needed repairs and/or restoration to original condition. when dealing with the 1960s and later Conns it is good to provide a photo of the horn. Indeed, prefixing M for saxophone was probably done for the same reasons of record-keeping during the sax boom of the mid 20s. Tenor $ 5000 have been contacted by someone who said that he had a horn Baritone $6500 There are a few low A baritones. .Ive seen a couple of Committee models with sterling silver necks. Tenor $ 2400 Tenor $ 7000 only gold-plated horns I have seen throughout this series its ear! Soprano $ 2200 There are lots of variations on the Martin theme, and below are the ones that I think you should consider. Theyre great! Theres a real oversupply of alto horns. Tenor $ 3000 The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". But here goes: Some altos made as early as 1932 have stampings on the necks in front of the microtuner sleeve eitherSTDD MorSTDD N. Thenin the #276k-277k range only(1936-37), altos appear that are stampedMETROorNATLunder the thumbhook, after the model number. (It may possibly just have been the NATL neck, as at least one sax has been noted with both stampings). Around 430XXX, the Super 20 was cheapened considerably: the neck changed to a conventional style; the bell key engraving eventually went away; the mother of pearl inlay was long since gone. Italics indicates "educated guess". So who knows? I've not seen Finish 5 on any So, lots of questions and not many answers. http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/ConnSerialsConnWW.html. a list of model numbers for Conn saxophones from the 20th century I found this list while shopping for information and thought it nice to have on hand. Most, but not all, of these features But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. Ive used a The Martin baritone for years. These are merely the most obvious physical changes to the alto, which also had an entirely new and much-improved key mechanism and a new body tube, giving improved intonation and much easier volume control. C: the inside diameter of the inner tenon on the body end. cost of these models is not significantly different than the Tenor Zephyr Spcl $ 3000 add 15% for silver neck Soprano $2000 Longest production run in Selmer history. The Zephyr is a killer! Conn then continued this finish choice for years. bell, engraving background, keys, posts and ferrules hand horn. The information for this chart was compiled from a number Additionally, the only Conns with the X stamped after the serial number that I have heard of were within a small serial range- around 200,xxx to 208,xxx- the first year of the ExperimentalLaboratory. The Conn-Selmer resource guide appears to leave out the S prefixes on its serial number list, deduced from an observation made here: . Silver plated ones bring 20% more, Ive never seen a gold plated one. IX No. Europe. In addition, there are some interesting neck variations that show up during the transitional period that last through the first few years of regular 6M production. Tenor $1400 The Constellation 28M alto has three octave vents and the best feeling mechanism around, along with a high tech (for the era) plastic key guard. It is near mint condition, even though it is 75 years old! with a gold body and silver keywork (finish 1), but I have Alto $ 900 The later examples have better intonation in the upper end than the earlier examples. These horns all appear within a few hundred serial numbers of each other right around 235,000, in both alto and tenor. It is sometimes (possible erroneously) supposed that five digit MKVIs are the best. I think these are often overlooked and underpriced. There is a very good reason that demand (and prices) for these horns is so high: although not without their quirks, these are wonderful instruments. Baritone 12M $ 3600. Tenor $ 3500 Tenor $ 2900 2M C Soprano There are, of course, a very few Super 20 baritones, some with silver necks (add 15%) and I have seen one with a silver bell. Around number 272XXX, the Super 20 was introduced. ARISTOCRAT 330XXX 360XXX I have only addressed instruments for which there is a regular and established market, so not every model is included. Saxophones in most moderate to large factories were produced in batches- that is, a few dozen to a couple hundred at a time of a particular type. Vintage Buescher, Conn, Martin, King & Selmer Serial Numbers. 15 August 2012 Corrected some HTML errors and moved all instruments in the trumpet section to the gray color scheme. Youll be unlikely to find them in anything but lacquer. Heavily gold plated, hand burnished over all, pearl inlaid Installed by Google Analytics, _gid cookie stores information on how visitors use a website, while also creating an analytics report of the website's performance. Tenor Zephyr $ 2400 Prices may vary considerably depending upon the amount and style of engraving. Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. Take a look at THIS redesigned low Eb/C touchpieces Buy Conn Tenor Saxophone Saxophones and get the best deals at the lowest prices on eBay! body and nickle keys " not realizing the variety of Copyright 1994 - 2023. available with the large variety of New Wonder finishes. This cookie can only be read from the domain they are set on and will not track any data while browsing through other sites. (enamel) and "Poly-Chrome" (enamel with painted Some early 26Ms were also marked METRO or NATL, with serials suffixed AM or AN. There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing manufacturers and saxophone enthusiasts charts. saxophones. If you feel any image or soundbyte used here is in violation of copyright thumbrest on some models. I am inclined to believe it is just a mis-stamp of the serial, out of all of the possibilities. Because I have left most of what Paul wrote intact with only minor editing, I have put his name next to sections for which he is mainly responsible. Its generally agreed that Selmer made some of the very best horns of all time. They play rather nicely. Here are a few things to bear in mind: When advertising an instrument for sale, you will often see the serial number referred to as 36xxxx. But what does the A suffixmean? rolled-tone-hole (HP), Bb Tenor Naked Lady with Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. > Burnished I have not seen examples of a straight soprano or bass in You can see these in use in the above-mentioned > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 4M Curved Bb Soprano a common practice to get old bare-brass horns lacquered sand blast velvet finish, bell richly engraved, inside of The line continued to evolve, error, or have an instrument produced before roughly 1970 (see serial number name indicated "Low Pitch" and "High Pitch", respectively. I No. Tenor $ 2400 New Wonder Transitional; Artist ("Naked Lady") Connqueror 26M & 30M; Connstellation 28M; Director 14M & 16M; DJH Modified; Couesnon. There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing . The Conqueror series (26M and 30M) have very elaborate adjustment mechanisms and solid silver key touches. Lady" one-side-bell-key M series by ABOUT 263xxx. Add 20% for gold plating. A serial network scheme with a small network size is designed for small user applications, and a parallel network scheme with high speed is designed for places such as data centres. > Nickel It's a gorgeous horn in the prime serial range for a Conn transitional. There seems to be more demand for the five digit horns, and some snobs reject the higher numbered examples. The engraving is beautiful, but they just dont play very well. Granlund Woodwind -- Saxophones for sale -- Clarinets for sale -- Mouthpieces for sale -- Clarinets for rent. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. Baritone $3400. Interesting to see, anyways. : Highly polished brass throughout, pearl inlaid finger tips Vintage Buescher, Conn, Martin, King & Selmer Serial Numbers, Connstellation Rolled tone holes discontinued. for about what that horn would have cost today.). The baritones are extremely rare and fabulous! Alto Low A $ 5000 The neck gained a tenon skirt to assist in sealing and aid fork Eb trill disappears price chart, in 1930/31 dollars. WONDER through 150XXX > Silver & Gold (1) This Alto $1800 Conn Trumpet Notes - Vol. that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. 1927 dollar = 10.05 2006 dollars. The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. 7 These terms had appeared on certain 26M Connqueror altos as early as 1935, so possibly the 6Ms were reusing old tooling. If they wereprototypes of some sort- why would the prototype alto be stamped A if they didnt do that until later and it was probably only for bookkeeping purposes? model, but with split bell keys. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. ARISTOCRAT 270XXX 290XXX "Transitional" refers to Conn's change from the New Wonder series of horns to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series of horns. Alto $ 2000 A swivel thumbrest - 237xxx for the alto and included the underslung octave key rolled-tone-holes, Bb Tenor Naked Lady with soon found their way to the tenor. Sopranino $3000 The difference between a well-overhauled 6M and a 6M with a mediocre job is huge, and to really get your moneys worth and see what makes these horns special they need to be in tip-top shape. The British connection may explain also the less than revealing lady. There are a few examples with gold inlay on the silver bell (add 15%), a few rare silver plated horns (I own one, add 20%); and a very few gold plated ones (add 25%). This is a beautiful original lacquer Conn 10M Tenor from the earliest period of the 10M (10M starts at 263k or so). After that, altos were simply marked 6M, probably without design changes. Vintage Conn Transitional Alto Saxophone . For altos, the serial number range of the transitional horns is roughly 234,000 to 270,000- give or take a few- which means from roughly 1930 to 1935. lengthening of the altissimo keys and the addition of an adjustable Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. They also had features well ahead of their time (assuming the serial was correct)- though the alto much more so. bis and G moved to their own pivot screws, upper stack rod significantly shortened (saxophones are still designed this way today) It needed a full repadding which I got done in Brisbane and I used it for a number of years until I needed to pay for some home renovation,so I sold it off. While Conn generally used the numbers to refer to finish, The Straight soprano $2000 By clicking Accept All, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. Conn produced their first horns with a lacquer body and nickel You can buy two wonderful old Conns for what some people are asking for Selmers of the same era. generally feature a stylized full "Naked Lady" in [About There are many variations, but later examples tend to have rolled tone holes, adjusting screws for the stack keys, beautiful engraving, and a sound thats hard to beat. were fewer plating choices: 4 This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Baritone $2500. I have a 262850 transitional. 400 SERIES 291XXX - 381XXX . rolled-tone-hole (LP), Bb Tenor Naked Lady with rolled-tone-hole On the one hand, this could simply mean that a body tube was stamped accidentally in the second digit with a zero- which would give it a serial from an earlier run, and the X was to denote a horn with a duplicate serial number. > Satin Gold Plate (0) Model: Start # End # Worcester: 1 (1888) 3,200 (1898) Wonder Improved: unknown (1895) 41,000 (1917) New Invention: 16,000 (1910) 23,000 (1912) . The name 6M Transitional is a blanket term applied by saxophone collectors and players to the alto saxophones made by C. G. ConnLtd. during the period of evolution from the New Wonder Series II alto saxophone to the 6M Artist alto saxophone. 8M C Melody Tenor The 6M alto; 10M tenor; and 12M baritone are the famous naked lady horns. Thanks to the person that assembled this! 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