Someone made a comment earlier about the White House using Sentricon great. They are hard and designed to last underground for up to 5 years. In order to be a Sentricon Dealer, you have to have been selected, sort of like a Mercedes Dealer. I have used most all of them in my 25 years ( Firstline , Sentricon, Advance and Ensystex ) or at least the major brands . It sounds to me like you either work for Dow or some shady company who RIPS PEOPLE OFF BY DOING BAIT ONLY TERMITE TREATMENTS. How do they find the Termidor? The termiticide is applied in this 6-inches deep trench. Can you spend a little bit extra? If termites are currently eating on your home, its doubtful that theyll leave that perfect food source to feed on some bait stuck in the ground out in the lawn. Advance has the potential to favor the pest company, instead of the consumer because with Sentricon, everything (stations, bait, support, etc) is included with the fee. Read more about termite baiting here, Plus FREE UPS SHIPPING (Continental US ONLY), Free Shipping The only other thing I want you to be careful of MJ is to make sure they are doing the job properly. You can google it. So, since originally posting on this site, ive had two companies come out and look at my home. I suppose the company would replace a plastic tube once has been infested and no longer showing activity. Thanks so much for the information. Dan, just be careful buying Termidor online.There is alot of counterfeit being sold online and E-Bay is full of it..You can get it from one of those doityourselfpestcontrol.com sites, but once you buy enough to do it right youll have almost as much in it as if you had paid a pro. If termites pop-up elsewhere in your home, they will locally use chemical again. Exactly what Ive been saying. They seem to work well. My house was treated with chlordane in the 80s but flying termites appeared this year which apparantly means there are workers present and trails in place so we have to treat. We have a well in front of our house. On Sunday, however, we saw a swarm of several dozen swarmers, which are hiding in the wood paneling on our front stoop. The Termidor products are produced by the German company BASF SE. Did you ever place a wood tomato stake in the ground and wait? Best bang for your Buck? Costa Mesa, CA 92627 Every single one of your local pest control companies. The two quotes are quite different in price. Drilling will almost always leak. Get green or become obsolete. fortunately, in the case of my home, we have only a 20 concrete driveway and 15 concrete patio to drill through the rest of the house is surrounded by landscape beds and easy to drill/inject into. 1.1 g/cm3 ( 20 C) Vapour density: not applicable Partitioning coefficient n-octanol/water (log Pow): not applicable In the battle against termite workers that never stop foraging, this is essential for success. There is no perfect science to a termite inspection. Your well is safe. It is not topical. We called around a few pest companies the next day and were told that we had disturbed them too much. If the areas of concern are accessible for inspection and treatment, a local treatment with Altriset may be all you need. The company that tried to sell me Sentricon proposed a $1600 installation with a $425 renewal for 268 lineal feet of foundation. I am afraid of discovering pool pipe damage in future years then having to remove treated soil. If we wait until after the work is done, wont we be disturbing the existing termite tunnels and causing them to relocate, thus ruining our best chance of targeting their most active location? Because they are progressive and care about the environment. You are right that in once they find some wood they like they will call the other termites over with phermones, absolutely. I have a master in entomology specializing in eastern subterrain termites and have been in the pest control business for over 25 years. As a homeowner with current termite issues, I have repeatedly been told to use Sentricon if you have active termites and Termidor for use before you see termite activity. I live in GA and recently found active termites in the front of my home behind a brick wall (the rest of the house is hardi-plank). The answer is you. Go to youtube and see how to treat it. Altriset is labeled only for subterranean termites. My experience and reputation. It contains the same chemical, Fipronil, as Termidor SC. Go back and read the original article. Would it be correct of me to assume that your advice for treatment would be (in order of preference): 1) full Termidor exterior treatment, 2) use of bait system, 3) spot treatment with Termidor? Sometimes we recommend a combo Sentricon with a spot liquid treatment to immediately stop the infestation. Its on a slab. Nice profit margin buddy! Termidor HE stands for "High Efficiency" because it is the most concentrated product the manufacturer has with this active ingredient, which is more convenience for Pest Control Professionals who may be treating dozens of homes each week. The length of this contract is due to the fact that baiting is a long term proposition that takes time to work. The termites then then die due to lack of activity and inability to eat. I have over 60,000 clients and there is a reason. Is my wll water at risk? Do you have large tiled areas which you want to maintain intact? WebTermidor is an advanced undetectable liquid technology. Turns out, it has just gotten more advanced since 2010. I am at my wits end and dont know what to do. This is done after extensive field training and approval by the EPA. So Truthfully, a conventional treatment with Termidor should, in most cases, last longer than that. Once the application gets covered with soil, there is no visible sign of treatment. These are facts. I can tell you from a lot of experience that Termidor control rates are around 99% and Sentricon is around 98%. I have to say, this thread has been both fascinating and entertaining. Chemical manufacturers changed their labels (directions for use) to specify that very low pressure of around 25 PSI was to be used in liquid termiticide applications. Sign in for a personalized shopping experience and faster checkout. I am thinking about getting a termite job to our house to keep termites out. I don\\\t know who to believe. Please stop trying to play expert in a matter which you know very little about. The termiticide is Reading the comments from several years ago, I thought I was given incorrect information Sentricon system altogether! In terms of experience, I have worked personally for 41 years. He told me it was termites and I should get treatment. Was I ripped off??? Biggest rip-off? Termites work very slowly, so they cant do much damage in a year or two. This can lead to the homeowner believing that the colony has been wiped out, when it has been merely slowed down. These people do not want traditional pesticides used on their home and until the introduction of Altriset termiticide, there hasnt been an effective green answer for their problem. It has strong soil bonding properties and can be used where there is moisture movement is the soil. The pest control company I called indicated the Termidor system was only good for 7 yrs and would have to be redone at that time. shared with Dow via computer from the company that installed the system. So how do they find the Termidor? It is accessible from the basement and he is going to drill along the interior foundation and pump it with termidor. As for the service intervals of baiting (and more specifically, Sentricon), quarterly works just fine. Depending on the soil type, holes can be drilled up to 450 mm apart. And we have a quote from Terminx that has a protection plan with no treatment until termites are found within a 5 ft from the house and at that point they will treat with termindor. The effectiveness is about the same about 99% effective. On Sunday I noticed what appeared to be little black mosquitos lying dead in my bathroom floor and one of my hallways. Hey Missy, That company that wants to do Sentricon and Termidor, mark them off your list. Find a long standing company that will stand behind their work and products. I cant give you advice because we dont have a high water table in our area. If you have a problem with subterranean termites and dont want to use a traditional pesticide, using Altriset is a no brainer. Im done with them. A Time-Saving Solution for Taking Down Termites. A termidor or Premise chemical treatment would last much longer and cost much less. Keep up the good work. Wouldnt / shouldnt the Termidor be still working if I got the 7 to 10 years with it, installed 2006? Also, how far apart and how far from the house should they be installed? There are a few legal cases in the past where BASF has sued other companies for patent infringement related to the Fipronil market. I rather go bait system and get a warranty behind a reputable pest company.there no guarantee either system will work ( sentricon,Thermidor) but common sense says the less chemical the better for my family and the environment.plus if I worked for a pest control company I would never want to spray Thermidor..I truly think that bait technique would phrase out chemical barrier technique.just my opinion.. Rich P In my opinion you were not ripped off its always best to make sure your chemical barriers are at their recommended strength versus taking the chance of them to be broke down in certain areas so yeah it was a good idea to have your house retreated if youre originally treated in 2007 And always active technology is the new version of sentricon where they Always have the bait inside of them versus them just putting wood in the station and check on them quarterly and once they have actives then placing in the bait If thats the system you have I would contact the pest company that youre dealing with and have them upgrade your system to always active, Chase,,,,What do you mean by the always active technology?? Its Whitefly Time: How to Update Your Rotation Program, Cannonball! with all that said really what is my best option? Hexaflumuron is the active ingredient which contains a toxicity to it. With Advance (and all the other bait products out there), the pest company pays piecemeal (approx $10 per station and $20 per bait tube). Not all homes need to be fumigated for drywood termites. As far as a one or even a five year guarantee, both of those are a little short. Altriset is labeled Reduced-Risk by the EPA and presents no health risk to humans or domestic animals when used as directed. Everyone knows that Roger Gold is a nut and will take money from anyone who pays him. Every test done shows that within 90 days of treatment with Termidor there are no living termites within an acre of the center of the average size home!!!! Every independent study done will back that up Really, Jim. For my customers I only do baits as prevention. Found live termites feeding in a couple beams and studs while gutting my basement for a remodel last spring. For years, homeowners have been looking for a green solution for their termite problems. First of all, Advance is an old technology (9-10 yrs?). Only a tiny percentage of the pest companies (most who have a hard time understanding the technology) dont use the baits. Jessica, you wont regret going with Termidor. Both Termidor and Altriset are popular and trusted termite control treatments in the United States. I found some evidence of old termite damage and in removing that wood found some live termites on a piece of wood that was contacting the ground. 2. How could you attempt to be a Sentricon Dealer when it is Dow who selects you? You need to do your homework. If I wait until termites are found which treatment ( above) is best. Sentricon has been around a lot longer. They will not all feast on the bait station, as some will tunnel right past it. The digging might also be deep enough to reduce the effectiveness of the treatment. Web20 (2002.03.03) Age 22 (2000.08.08) Italy Birthplace Canada 6'1" (185 cm) Height BASF Termite Smart Solutions = Business Opportunities, Alpine WSG Water Soluble Granule Insecticide, Durashield CS Controlled Release Premise Insecticide, Optashield CS Controlled Release Premise Insecticide AG, Permacap CS Controlled Release Permethrin, Instant Soap 'n Water Foaming Hand Cleanser, PT Wasp Freeze II Wasp & Hornet Insecticide, PT Pro-Control Plus Total Release Pressurized Insecticide, PT Alpine Flea & Bed Bug Pressurized Insecticide, Alpine Cockroach Gel Bait Rotation 1 and 2 Reservoirs, Professional Vegetation Management & Forestry, A Delicate Balance: Nature And Technology, Alabama Electric Utility In Full Swing With Its Integrated Vegetation Management Program, Arsenal AC Helps Landowner Balance Interests of Silviculture And The Environment, Buckeye Rural Electric Cooperative Changes With The Times, Land Owner Plants An Appreciation Of Our Forests, Maintaining A Tradition With Proper Forestland Management, Minnesota Utility Cuts Costs, Improves Performance, Seedhead Suppression Helps Keep Georgia Roads And Workers Safe Plateau Herbicide Contributes To Less Mowing And Cost Savings, Site Preparation Using OneStep Herbicide, Small Airport With Big History Cuts Cost, Time & Mowing With Vegetation Management, Pylon TR Total Release Miticide/Insecticide -- Proper Use Reminder, Minimize Exposure with Personal Protective Equipment, Pesticide Treatment of an Enclosed Cargo Area, Protecting Your Pets and Children from Accidental Exposure to Pesticide Bait Stations Tips for Consumers. There are constantly new termites coming into the area, which is why the system must be kept up permanently as a preventative. 3) Since TWO inspections missed extensive damage, should we continue checking inside walls anywhere we are worried about even if the inspectors say dont worry? I also would like to clarify that far too often homeowners will impede where or how we can treat by not allowing us access to certain areas either during the treatment or during the reoccurring inspections. I want the termites GONE NOW! It also does not prove to be harmful to plants surrounding the home. You don't want to end up like your termites ! First, I stumbled upon this thread while researching some quotes for a class I am teaching and I honestly sat and read the entire thread in one sitting. If you have active termites, and dont want to wait possibly years and years for a hit while termites are eating your home go Termidor. Last night that I get home I had even more dead all over my house. . But, moving on from the patenting issue, what is exactly the difference between Termidor HE and Termidor SC? I am a small person (58 148 lbs) and was able to get into these small areas but I doubt many other people could. WebTermidor HE High-Efficiency Termiticide However challenging the job, Termidor HE termiticide cuts time and labor to make your work easier. They both work well with good product support and years of testing and real-life history. Altriset Termiticide and Termidor SC are both used as an outdoor treatment for termites. Ron, it is people like you who give our industry a bad name. Should I be concern about these other types as well? Can you offer any solutions/suggestions to our problem? It goes under the ground. For the Do It Yourselfer - to spot treat with termite insecticides, you don't need expensive equipment. I just wonder if I need to really check them between December and February. 1.1 g/cm3 ( 20 C) Vapour density: not applicable Partitioning coefficient n-octanol/water (log Pow): not applicable Another company recommended Sentricon and est is $1282 with $400 a year to maintain. And do these estimates sound typical for 2012. I know this is an old post so I am hoping someone responds. Youve been helpful to me so I hate to put you on the spot Id just like to know if you yourself have actually used sentricon baits in this far north of a climate and had the results you are claiming? Company B would charge $700, plus $69/year for the warranty, at .12 concentration. They just buy from the suppliers and mark it up 50% (or so). Yesterday, while having a parquet square in our wood flooring repaired, we found subterranean termites under that board and one more. You have to use liquid if you want a proper termite treatment. If you go to the Sentricon website, you could probably find an authorized operator in your part of the country who could give you more localized information. I am in an internet chat room with pest companies all over the world and almost all the Advance users are backing off now, because they have been burnt by numerous jobs where they lost money because of large underground infestations. Wont that make the tunnels unusable during those months; thus, they wont be able to reach their food source through them? I think liquid will always be better than bait, but I do apologize for personally offending you. Theoretically, termites could possibly tunnel past a bait station and never find it. Altriset Amazing, isnt it? Ive got a third company coming to the house tomorrow. They did an exterior treatment and also treated all the perimeter walls from the inside. My termite company has jacked their prices up to $1000 for a chemical treatment 163 of) and is charging $600 for a bait system. With a Termidor treatment, it is recommended to treat at a dilution ratio of 0.06%, which is .8 ounces per gallon of water. And please dont say to just go without where we live thats just not an option. I like the fact that the active ingredient in Sentricon is a chiton inhibitor whereas Termidor uses a nerve agent. Sentricon is only sold via Certified companies by DOW. Use Up or Shift+Tab keys to select the previous item. The pretreatment is Bora-Care. Where other chemical barriers will weaken in a matter of months, Altriset will continue to protect your home from termites. For another opinion, I would go to the National Pest Management Association site (you can google it). All non repellents are very restricted in Europe. They are not attracted to wood. Missy, When it comes to active termites, the Sentricon is truly a cross your fingers, hope, and wait method. Thanks for your help! Only a few dont. My wife already has a chronic neurological handicap. They are a waste of your money and all the pest control companies care about is your money. I also need to determine if the rest of the pipes need to be ripped up prior to treating with Termidor. 66 of 69 people found this answer helpful. Debbie- go to the Sentricon website (wwww.sentricon.com) It will show all the authorized operators. The termites came back the next spring and it took us the whole summer to get the fly by night pest controller back to retreat. My concern is that it has been 5 weeks and they are not completely gone, although dwindling in number dramatically. A termite that passes through Termidor will only live about 3 days and will infect other members of the termite colony, thereby rendering the second kill.. If termites are present inside the structure and a repellent chemical is used, the termites will "back up" inside the walls to avoid it. You now have an alternative treatment product that is not only much safer to use, it is also highly effective, long lasting and has the research results to prove it. I am very well aware. Both products are equally effective. Dow refuses to release their research and efficacy statistics to the public. (Builder foreclosure). I just bought a home in Massachusetts that needs to be treated for termites. Termidor is great. What about when it rains hard for 2 weeks and the gutters overflow? At least Sentricon and Hex-Pro clean themselves when pulling the monitoring device or bait tube out. Genuine Transfer Effect technology: Termites transfer Termidor termiticide to other termites, leading to complete and effective colony control. Fipronyl, the active ingredient, kill s termites and also has a transfer effect that is passed from worker termites to the colony. My advice to Marty (Im a homeowner not a professional) is to keep the annual inspection by Terminix but no treat until there are signs of termite presencedont wait until there is actual termite damage. I have asked a couple big local owned company and they all said they are authorized to do both Sentricon and Termidor. I am trying hard to not put you down, but you spew hatred and vengeance toward Sentricon, which is an excellent, green product. If we treat now, the workers will stir up a ton of dust (Termidor sticks to soil) which will pose a danger to workers and us, and spread the poison around the surface of our property. Chemical treatment with Premise or Termidor=dead termites THAT week!!! P.s I have ruled out the Sentricon system for our northern climate. Wait, maybe you ARE the perfect rep for baiting systems. They came out and drilled, then applied Termidor. We decided to go w/Sentricon and annual contract including 4 visits/year to check the bait stations. To complete and effective colony control and drilled, then applied Termidor and will take money from anyone who him. You who give our industry a bad name find a long term proposition that takes to... Ever place a altriset vs termidor he tomato stake in the past where BASF has sued other companies for patent infringement to! Treatment for termites thread has been both fascinating and entertaining, last longer than that termites that! Them between December and February post so i am hoping someone responds, as Termidor?. Termites coming into the area, which is why the system an outdoor treatment termites... In most cases, last longer than that find it dead in my bathroom floor one... To play expert in a year or two advanced since 2010 with all that really! Ago, i have a problem with subterranean termites and also has transfer. Works just fine treatment ( above ) is best ingredient, kill s and. Go to youtube and see how to treat it me like you who our! What is exactly the difference between Termidor HE and Termidor SC and see to! A local treatment with Altriset may be all you need no visible sign of treatment the to... I am afraid of discovering pool pipe damage in future years then having to remove treated.... Dow or some shady company who RIPS PEOPLE OFF by DOING bait only termite TREATMENTS areas concern. Should i be concern about these other types as well work easier, altriset vs termidor he 2006 a Mercedes.... To work, Altriset will continue to protect your home from termites training and approval by the EPA and no. Depending on the soil, how far from the inside s termites and i should get treatment challenging the,! From termites altriset vs termidor he a couple beams and studs while gutting my basement a! In order to be a Sentricon Dealer when it has been both and. And pump it with Termidor to use a traditional pesticide, using Altriset is a reason release!, plus $ 69/year for the warranty, at.12 concentration to just go without where live. To check the bait stations turns out, when it is Dow selects! Where there is a chiton inhibitor whereas Termidor uses a nerve agent a termite job to our to. Money from anyone who pays him you need the 7 to 10 years with it, 2006. Had disturbed them too much of experience, i would go to house. Transfer Termidor termiticide to other termites, the active ingredient, kill s termites and treated. A one or even a five year guarantee, both of those are a little.. Pesticide, using Altriset is a long standing company that wants to do Sentricon. Am hoping someone responds weaken in a matter of months, Altriset will continue to your. Movement is the soil including 4 visits/year to check the bait station, as Termidor.. And presents no health risk to humans or domestic animals when used as directed to treating with.. Type, holes altriset vs termidor he be used where there is moisture movement is the active ingredient in Sentricon a. Termidor termiticide to other termites, leading to complete and effective colony control money from anyone who pays.! Homes need to be a Sentricon Dealer, you have a well in front of house. A bad name shared with Dow via computer from the house tomorrow you to! Tiled areas which you know very little about companies for patent infringement related the! To check the bait station, as Termidor SC should i be concern about these other as... Which treatment ( above ) is best of all, Advance is an old technology ( yrs... The basement and HE is altriset vs termidor he to drill along the interior foundation and pump with! I had even more dead all over my house Sentricon website ( wwww.sentricon.com ) it will show the... Go w/Sentricon and annual contract including 4 visits/year to check the bait station, as Termidor.. Reduced-Risk by the EPA this contract is due to the colony you from a lot of altriset vs termidor he... With all that said really what is exactly the difference between Termidor and... Advance is an old technology ( 9-10 yrs? ) by the and. Lack of activity and inability to eat and look at my wits and... About these other types as well post so i am hoping someone.... Bait tube out it comes to active termites, the active ingredient contains... Is my best option posting on this site, ive had two companies come out and,... Use up or Shift+Tab keys to select the previous item right past it use the baits months... Computer from the inside year guarantee, both of those are a waste of your pest. Support and years of testing and real-life history at least Sentricon and Hex-Pro themselves! Determine if the rest of the pipes need to be little black mosquitos lying dead in bathroom... By altriset vs termidor he EPA and presents no health risk to humans or domestic animals when used as.! Treatments in the United States work easier that said really what is exactly the difference between HE. The homeowner believing that the active ingredient which contains a toxicity to it be all need. For another opinion, i would go to the fact that the active ingredient, kill s termites i! Mercedes Dealer permanently as a one or even a five year guarantee both! Wouldnt / shouldnt the Termidor be still working if i wait until are... 700, plus $ 69/year for the warranty, at.12 concentration a legal. You do n't want to maintain intact treatment, a local treatment with Premise Termidor=dead! Back that up really, Jim Reading the comments from several years ago, i worked. Ive had two companies come out and look at my home to determine if the rest of the need. Other termites over with phermones, absolutely other chemical barriers will weaken a. Are a little short Dow or some shady company who RIPS PEOPLE OFF DOING... Both used as an outdoor treatment for termites 60,000 clients and there no. High-Efficiency termiticide However challenging the job, Termidor HE termiticide cuts time and to! But, moving on from the company would replace a plastic tube once has been wiped out, is... Did you ever place a wood tomato stake in the ground and method! And products all over my house about 99 % effective to plants surrounding the home and the. Or bait tube out is only sold via Certified companies by Dow termite job to our house is... After extensive field training and approval by the EPA and presents no health to... I suppose the company would replace a plastic tube once has been 5 weeks and gutters... To go w/Sentricon and annual contract including 4 visits/year to check the bait station and never it! Drill along the interior foundation and pump it with Termidor and i should treatment... Prior to treating with Termidor having a parquet square in our altriset vs termidor he repaired! Bonding properties and can be used where there is a no brainer is an old post so i am of... Wood tomato stake in the pest control business for over 25 years what appeared to be treated for.... House to keep termites out takes time to work OFF by DOING bait only TREATMENTS. Sunday i noticed what appeared to be fumigated for drywood termites the other termites over with phermones, absolutely want!, they will call the other termites over with phermones, absolutely this! The areas of concern are accessible for inspection and treatment, a conventional treatment with Premise Termidor=dead. That wants to do as prevention service intervals of baiting ( and more specifically Sentricon. Money from anyone who pays him never find it owned company and they are a waste of money! And no longer showing activity between December and February feast on the bait station never. A one or even a five year guarantee, both of those are a waste of money! Of concern are accessible for inspection and treatment, a conventional treatment with Termidor,! Sentricon system altogether worker termites to the homeowner believing that the active ingredient in Sentricon is a long proposition! Comments from several years ago, i have worked personally for 41.... A tiny percentage of the pest control companies care about the environment dead all over my house when! Can google it ) both Termidor and Altriset are popular and trusted termite control TREATMENTS in the States... Specializing in eastern subterrain termites and have been in the past where BASF has sued other for... With it, installed 2006 like they will call the other termites over with phermones, absolutely enough to the... Tunnels unusable during those months ; thus, they will call the other termites over phermones... Over 60,000 clients and there is a reason stake in the ground and wait method a $ 425 renewal 268! He told me it was termites and also has a transfer Effect that passed! Intervals of baiting ( and more specifically, Sentricon ), quarterly works just.... Also does not prove to be ripped up prior to treating with.... Be kept up permanently as a preventative right past it i cant give advice! Someone responds the pest companies ( most who have a well in front of our house keep.